[Primus] Which Router for Lingo? - VOIP Tech Chat (2024)

wigglesd join:2003-12-29 Leesburg, VA	wigglesd Member 2004-Dec-10 4:05 pm [Primus] Which Router for Lingo? Can anyone make any technical recommendations for which router to get for Lingo? From what I can tell there are two options: 1) The unit Lingo provides 2) The D-Link DVG-1402S/L VoIp and router. [ »www.dlink.com/products/?pid=361 ] From a straight features/flexibility/cost I am currently leaning towards the D-Link.
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laserjobs Premium Member join:2004-05-02 Las Vegas, NV 1 edit	laserjobs Premium Member 2004-Dec-10 4:57 pm Which ever one costs less?
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Goughy join:2000-12-02 Torrance, CA	Goughy to wigglesd Member 2004-Dec-10 5:55 pm to wigglesd I recently got the DVG-1402S/L from monarchtechnology. Installation was a breeze and no issues with the service so far. There is currently a $50 rebate from D-Link (depending on where it was purchased), and having this retail router means there is no connection fee and no cancellation fee. Seemed like a no-brainer to me! Even if I cancel after the first month, I am only about $49 out (+ monthly charges)but get to keep the router. -Richard
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caseydoug join:2001-08-14 Seattle, WA	caseydoug to wigglesd Member 2004-Dec-10 7:00 pm to wigglesd It's a pain to unlock the AzaCall and UTStarcom devices if you ever want to use them for a provider other than Lingo. Just curious: is the D-Link any different in this regard?
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Goughy join:2000-12-02 Torrance, CA	Goughy Member 2004-Dec-10 10:16 pm It would seem that the DVG-1402S/L is locked. From »www.lingosupport.com/faq ··· .html#12 Will my router still work if I cancel Lingo? If you decide to cancel the Lingo service your Lingo compatible router will still function as a router for your home networking needs. You cannot sign up for another internet phone service using this router. I suspect that the DVG-1402S (without the /L and which seems to be available from outpost.com) is not locked to Lingo, but I haven't checked it out. -Richard
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wigglesd join:2003-12-29 Leesburg, VA 1 edit	wigglesd to Goughy Member 2005-Jan-11 10:44 am to Goughy Just as an update: I bought the D-Link DVG1402 S/L, got the $50 rebate, signed up on the Lingo web site, plugged the D-Link into my existing router (Linksys WRT54GS), watched the lights flash and about 10 minutes later I had dial tone. (note that this is not the recommended configuration by Lingo, however I think I read somewhere that the WRT54GS with the most recent firmware has VOIP support built in. Well either I dreamt it or read it!) Works great, used it to call Europe and Asia for an hour or so never dropped or had audio problems. One thing to note is that I bought a UPS and I run all my routers and cable modem off it. I have noted that since I did this the logs in the cable modem have gotten much shorter and that the apparent number of errors/problems with the cable modem talking to the headend have significantly reduced. Typically the only entry in the log is a "DHCP Renew" warning. Either way the reliability of the entire broadband connection is much better and I get less calls from my wife saying the "Internet isn't working" so I'm happy.
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laserjobs Premium Member join:2004-05-02 Las Vegas, NV	laserjobs Premium Member 2005-Jan-11 11:08 am Now did Lingo tell you about the misrepresented rate increase when you signed up?
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wigglesd join:2003-12-29 Leesburg, VA	wigglesd Member 2005-Jan-11 11:27 am No, but it doesn't surprise me. The lawyers for all the VOIP companies are doing their risk mitigation jobs in order that when the FCC comes knocking they have the money in the bank to pay rather than having to come directly out of their bottom line. Net-net I am still saving lots of money each month over verizon and ATT bills and I can talk a whole lot more without worrying about the usage part of the bill increasing. I don't like getting taxed, but I think it is inevitable for VOIP, however I prefer getting taxed less than before.
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laserjobs Premium Member join:2004-05-02 Las Vegas, NV	laserjobs Premium Member 2005-Jan-11 11:32 am Please write Lingo a letter about this BS rate hike before your VOIP bill starts reaching your old POTS bill.
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vonsen Just Because Premium Member join:2005-01-06	vonsen to wigglesd Premium Member 2005-Jan-11 1:24 pm to wigglesd Absolutely, give lingo some hell or you may find rate hikes every six months until your VOIP bill is as bloated as your POTS bill was. As to routers, you can use the adapter that lingo sends or the retail dlink. However you won't be able to access a lot of standard router features, as the will be password locked in the supervisor menu. A linksys wrt54g router for one works fine in front of lingo. A dlink 614 does not. You can search this forum for a few other router recommendations. If you use your own router, then any problem with lingo won't pull your whole network down.
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med1234 join:2002-05-03 Westmont, IL	med1234 to wigglesd Member 2005-Jan-11 1:29 pm to wigglesd At this point almost ever provider has the $1.50 charge, so not much you can do there back to the question, if I understand you correctly, you want to know which router to use with Lingo. I had mine behind a SMC 7004VW and had prblems with dropped calls all the time, tweaking the SPI and DMZ'ng the Lingo adaptor with a static IP did not help. Bought what most consider to be a junky Netgear 614 router and have had no issues since. No DMZ or turning off SPI. Have it setup with a static IP.
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med1234	med1234 Member 2005-Jan-11 1:30 pm Ignore my post above, you are undecided on the adaptor/router.
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bbrlogue Learning New Things Daily Premium Member join:2003-12-07 Alexandria, VA	bbrlogue to wigglesd Premium Member 2005-Jan-11 2:13 pm to wigglesd To stay with the topics (there's plenty of other threads to talk about tax) -- I am using an older D-Link DI-614+ with Lingo's UT Starcom. I am planning to connect my POTS line to it so I can have failover, and play around with the digit map to get 911 outward calls routed through the POTS line. Does the DVG-1402 have the same features?
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wadonoel Premium Member join:2004-11-16 New York, NY	wadonoel Premium Member 2005-Jan-11 2:19 pm said by bbrlogue: Does the DVG-1402 have the same features? No, it doesn't. BTW I got mine from Outpost and it was locked to Lingo. Working well so far, except for incoming Caller ID(grr!), behind a SMC7004BR.
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caseydoug join:2001-08-14 Seattle, WA	caseydoug to wigglesd Member 2005-Jan-11 3:53 pm to wigglesd Has anyone tried signing up with Lingo with a used AzaCall or UTStarcom? I'd bet there are quite a few floating around at a good price, and it should be quite easy for Lingo to attach new configuration files to the MAC address of a box that it has previously provisioned. As to routers, the general experience here is that Lingo does not do well with business class routers or those with Stateful Packet Inspection (SPI), with the exception of the Linksys WRT54Gx.
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LilYoda Feline with squirel personality disorder Premium Member join:2004-09-02 Mountains	LilYoda Premium Member 2005-Jan-11 5:08 pm cough get a cisco cough
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caseydoug join:2001-08-14 Seattle, WA	caseydoug Member 2005-Jan-11 5:19 pm Oh yes, I forgot. Get Cisco. And then hire LilYoda to program it for you.;)
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vonsen Just Because Premium Member join:2005-01-06	vonsen to wigglesd Premium Member 2005-Jan-11 6:31 pm to wigglesd The ciscos are capable of just about anything and hell to program if you are not familiar with them.
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LilYoda Feline with squirel personality disorder Premium Member join:2004-09-02 Mountains	LilYoda to caseydoug Premium Member 2005-Jan-11 7:52 pm to caseydoug I'm cheap, I just ask you to offer me a room and food until I'm done programming your router Nah, seriously, it ain't that bad, but I'll post a tempalte with Class of Service etc... soon. Still trying to figure out one last piece of the puzzle for best voice quality...
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caseydoug join:2001-08-14 Seattle, WA	caseydoug Member 2005-Jan-11 10:16 pm Does your Cisco have QoS?
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vonsen Just Because Premium Member join:2005-01-06 1 edit	vonsen to LilYoda Premium Member 2005-Jan-11 10:29 pm to LilYoda said by LilYoda: I'm cheap, I just ask you to offer me a room and food until I'm done programming your router LilYoda, my router's okay. Would you happen to have any experience whipping provider's (lingo) into shape? &nbsp -- Email lingo about the misrepresented 18% rate hike: psingh@primustel.com,nhazard@primustel.com,tkloster@primustel.com,jdepodesta@primustel.com,t book@primustel.com,smcintyre@primustel.com,anayar@primustel.com,tlawson@primustel.com,mguirg is@primustel.com,jmelick@primustel.com,jrosenblatt@primustel.com,ghicks@primustel.com,mmagil l@primustel.com
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LilYoda Feline with squirel personality disorder Premium Member join:2004-09-02 Mountains	LilYoda to caseydoug Premium Member 2005-Jan-12 12:03 am to caseydoug said by caseydoug: Does your Cisco have QoS? Yeah, 3 classes of data + one of VoIP... Still having trouble forcing the router to fragment low priority data packets cause they can cause serialization delay in some cases, but otherwise, it's all good.
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caseydoug join:2001-08-14 Seattle, WA	caseydoug Member 2005-Jan-12 12:13 am said by LilYoda: Yeah, 3 classes of data + one of VoIP... That's interesting that it's broken down by voice and data. The SonicWall allows bandwidth management for each rule you set up. So, for example, I can set up an RTP rule allowing inbound traffic on port 13456 to go to the ATA, and as part of this rule I can specify a Guaranteed Bandwidth (in kbps), a Maximum Bandwidth, and a Bandwidth Priority.
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LilYoda Feline with squirel personality disorder Premium Member join:2004-09-02 Mountains 1 edit	LilYoda Premium Member 2005-Jan-12 12:24 am well, I assigned 72Kbps of bandwidth to Voice traffic (teamspeak server, skype and lingo). the VoIP class is using Low Latency Queuing. The rest of bandwidth is broken down 60/30/10% with different traffic going into one of the 3 classes, and the 3 data classes are using WRED as queueing mechanism. I also recolor the traffic within each of the data classes when it gets above the assigned bandwidth, making it more likely to get killed by the queueing engine in case congestion approaches... I could configure one class per traffic type, but I wanted to save my brain Plus I figured I didn't really need that much control
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LilYoda	LilYoda Premium Member 2005-Jan-18 9:14 pm Well, as promised... »[Config] QoS+VoIP on a Cisco - sample config It ain't perfect, but it gets the job done...
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caseydoug join:2001-08-14 Seattle, WA	caseydoug Member 2005-Jan-19 1:56 am It's practically plug-and-play, LilYoda.
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LilYoda Feline with squirel personality disorder Premium Member join:2004-09-02 Mountains 1 edit	LilYoda to wigglesd Premium Member 2005-Jan-19 10:06 am to wigglesd Yup, almost The cisco equivalent of plug and play was named "Copy & Paste"
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